"Long hauler" syndrome is a bewildering dilemma

From: Razz (RAZZMAN)27 Apr 2021 09:31
To: Carl (SPARTACUS) 1 of 127
I posted something much shorter to you about the Long Haulers and the problems they have after a relatively mild case of Covid-19. This usually happens quite a while after they have fully "recovered."

The simple flu virus, which many compared to the Covid virus in the early part of the pandemic, certainly doesn't have these horrible side effects. This is more reason why I believe this Covid virus is a manufactured bio-weapon produced by China, possibly to weaken the countries it wants to eventually invade and take over.

Here's more about the Long Hauler syndrome...


https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210323/neurologic-symptoms-frequent-covid-long-haul-partients

Neurologic Symptoms Frequent in COVID Long-Haulers
 

March 23, 2021 -- Cognitive dysfunction, sometimes called “brain fog,”tops the list of neurologic complaints in patients with long-haul COVID-19 whose illness wasn't severe enough for them to be hospitalized, new research shows.

But brain fog isn’t the only problem, the study found.

Researchers, who tracked 100 non-hospitalized patients with long-haul COVID-19 from May to November found 85% reported four or more neurologic symptoms.

"It's the first of its kind study on neurological symptoms appearing in patients non-hospitalized," senior author Igor Koralnik, MD, professor of neurology at Northwestern University in Chicago told Medscape.

"Most of what we know today [about long-haul COVID-19 patients] is what is happening in patients severely sick in the hospital," Koralnik, who is also chief of neuro-infectious disease and global neurology, said.

The study was published online today in Annals of Clinical and Translational Neurology.

Persistent, Debilitating Symptoms

The tracked patients had symptoms consistent with COVID-19, said Koralnik, but only mild and fleeting respiratory problems. None developed pneumonia or low oxygen levels that would have required hospitalization.

Seventy percent of the patients in the study were women, and the average age was 43.

Long-haul COVID-19 was defined as symptoms persisting for more than 6 weeks, with the consensus that most patients fully recover from COVID-19 in 4 to 6 weeks.

What was surprising, said Koralnik, was that the patients, despite not needing hospitalization, had persistent and debilitating symptoms for months after symptoms began.

The investigators also found recovery varied from patient to patient, making it was difficult to predict whether a specific symptom would likely ease within a certain timeframe.

The 10 most common complaints among study participants were:

  • Cognitive dysfunction, reported by 81%
  • Headache, 68%
  • Numbness or tingling, 60%
  • Loss of taste, 59%
  • Loss of smell, 55%
  • Muscle pain, 55%
  • Dizziness, 47%
  • Pain, 43%
  • Blurred vision, 30%
  • Tinnitus (ringing in the ears), 29%

In addition, many reported non-neurologic symptoms, including:

The researchers tracked 50 long-haul COVID-19 patients who had laboratory-positive tests and 50 with lab-negative tests, although all met the definition of COVID-19 by criteria set by the Infectious Diseases Society of America, Koralnik said.

This reflects the limitations of early testing, he added. Early in the pandemic, people often could not get a test, could not get a test in the timeframe that would accurately detect infection, or had a test that wasn't sensitive enough to detect infection accurately, he said.

Study participants resided in 21 states. Fifty-two were seen in-person and 48 by telehealth at a neuro COVID-19 clinic. They had either limited or comprehensive cognitive testing; memory and attention deficit problems were common.

Many patients (42%) reported depression or anxiety prior to COVID diagnosis, said Koralnik, suggesting a "neuropsychiatric vulnerability" to developing long-haul COVID-19.

Although the study did not aim to explain why some patients develop long-haul COVID-19, it suggests autoimmune mechanisms may be at play, the investigators note.

The range of symptoms varied widely, with some patients experiencing cognitive impairment and dizziness, with no smell or taste issues, or vice versa, said Koralnik.

Predicting recovery from specific symptoms is not yet possible, he noted.

"People tend to improve over time, but they do it at their own pace," he said.

"We were hoping the further away from the disease onset, the better the patient would feel recovered. In fact that was not the case," said Koralnik.

Some said, for instance, they were 95% recovered after 2 months, while others said they were only 10% recovered after 9 months. That means it is impossible to tell a patient with specific symptoms to expect recovery after a specific period of time, he noted.

Accurate Reflection of Clinical Practice

Commenting on the findings, Allison Navis, MD, assistant professor of neuro-infectious diseases at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York City and lead clinical neurologist at the Post-COVID Center at Mount Sinai, said they reflect clinical practice and noted that she has seen at least 200 long-haul patients.

She welcomed the study's focus on neurologic symptoms and noted ''we don't fully understand what is going on" with the long-haul patients.

"We are seeing improvement for a lot of people, but it is taking some time. For some of the more debilitating symptoms, we have treatments," such as effective headache medications.

One promising clue from the study, said Navis, who was not involved in the research, is the idea that the long-haul symptoms might be an autoimmune response, maybe similar to some other post-infection syndromes.

The study shows that that it's important not to be dismissive of patients' persistent symptoms. " 'Just get over it' is not the correct approach," she said.

From: Carl (SPARTACUS)27 Apr 2021 09:45
To: Razz (RAZZMAN) 2 of 127
I got many of those symptoms from the vax. Unless, my opinion that I might of had it in February was right. That might explain some things.

When I went to my Doc, my blood work was the best I have seen it in 10 years. Go Figure? Also, I was negative for Lyme and Gout. As such, my aches and pains were probably neurological.
From: Razz (RAZZMAN)27 Apr 2021 10:41
To: Carl (SPARTACUS) 3 of 127
It is strange if the symptoms you had were from Long Haul, and not the vaccine itself. It was over a year from when you may have had Covid, so I count the long haul out.
From: Carl (SPARTACUS)27 Apr 2021 10:42
To: Razz (RAZZMAN) 4 of 127
I agree. But maybe the "residual" effects from the February covid were ignited by the vaccines? Just postulating.
From: Razz (RAZZMAN)27 Apr 2021 10:44
To: Carl (SPARTACUS) 5 of 127
The other thing to remember is that a lot of people you know had the same side effects after their vaccine. So I would think that was the actual cause.
From: Carl (SPARTACUS)27 Apr 2021 10:46
To: Razz (RAZZMAN) 6 of 127
I agree with your hypothesis. The symptoms returned like clockwork after each injection. Over time fortunately, they seem to be dissipating.
From: Razz (RAZZMAN)27 Apr 2021 10:48
To: Carl (SPARTACUS) 7 of 127
It dawned on me about the others you know who had the same symptoms. That, along with the fact that it was 14 months ago that you may have had Covid, it sealed the case.

Glad I didn't have any real side effects...yet.
From: Carl (SPARTACUS)27 Apr 2021 10:52
To: Razz (RAZZMAN) 8 of 127
I do get the chills now and then. But, it might be old age... LOL
From: Razz (RAZZMAN)27 Apr 2021 10:54
To: Carl (SPARTACUS) 9 of 127
I get chills when the furnace isn't going on. I had to change my digital thermostat, changing to times the furnace goes on.
From: Carl (SPARTACUS)27 Apr 2021 11:17
To: Razz (RAZZMAN) 10 of 127
I think something I do has helped. Each morning I use my ceramic roller on my legs and hips. It seems to loosen everything up and I do not feel like an invalid... then a nice hot shower really helps.
From: Razz (RAZZMAN)28 Apr 2021 09:03
To: Carl (SPARTACUS) 11 of 127
I'm surprised you are still having some of these problems. How long ago was your second shot? I would think that the side effects would last a week, or maybe two at most.

Here's what I found on Google:
 
Quote: 
How long do side effects of second Covid vaccine last?
 
Symptoms appear to be more pronounced after the second dose, which fits with our understanding that they generally indicate a natural immune response rather than anything more sinister (we have a more developed immune response after the second dose). Symptoms usually resolve within three days of vaccination.
From: Carl (SPARTACUS)28 Apr 2021 09:19
To: Razz (RAZZMAN) 12 of 127
Symptoms have mostly disappeared and come back infrequently. The fact that they really did not test the aftereffects over a long period of time made any side effect duration possible in my opinion.

I do have 3 Lax games to ref this Sunday so I cannot be that bad. I think many do not work out as much as me. If I did not ref and was like most immobile folks my age, I probably would have had minimal effects.
From: Razz (RAZZMAN)28 Apr 2021 09:32
To: Carl (SPARTACUS) 13 of 127
Hopefully all those side effects go away completely soon. I consider myself lucky where I didn't have any side effects to speak of, outside of a sore arm for a couple days.
From: Carl (SPARTACUS)28 Apr 2021 09:37
To: Razz (RAZZMAN) 14 of 127
Once the aches and pains started to reduce, I felt a lot better as I knew I was on the road to recovery. The perfect blood work made me feel good with no gout or lyme. I just wonder if the side effect was neurologically based?
From: Razz (RAZZMAN)28 Apr 2021 10:18
To: Carl (SPARTACUS) 15 of 127
The one big question here is why so many other people you knew had the same exact symptoms? I haven't heard of anyone else having those symptoms in my area. Do you think the vaccine was tainted in your area? It's strange that so many you know had the same side effects, IMO.
From: Carl (SPARTACUS)28 Apr 2021 10:20
To: Razz (RAZZMAN) 16 of 127
Well, if you are sedentary, people would probably not know about the side effects. The folks I spoke with are physically active so I guess exercise brings out the aches.
From: Razz (RAZZMAN)28 Apr 2021 10:29
To: Carl (SPARTACUS) 17 of 127
Hmm, that's an interesting theory. Maybe some "experts" could examine this. Wait, no. If it's the CDC they'll say that exercise has no affect on people who have been vaccinated.
From: Carl (SPARTACUS)28 Apr 2021 10:36
To: Razz (RAZZMAN) 18 of 127
My female doctor ahem, told me to report my side effects to the CDC. Since they are total idiots, I have not done so. 
From: Razz (RAZZMAN)28 Apr 2021 14:44
To: Carl (SPARTACUS) 19 of 127
I'm not sure what health organization is worse? The WHO or the CDC. It's kind of a tossup.
From: Carl (SPARTACUS)28 Apr 2021 15:56
To: Razz (RAZZMAN) 20 of 127
Next the CDC WILL require tampons in each nostril. Lol